The Christian Conundrum


Like most of us, I was raised more than nominally Christian. I mean, that’s normal, right? It is the mainstream religion…whether we like it or not. And whether we like it or not, it is very influential on our society.

Unlike many of us, I did not leave Christianity due to any problem with Christians or hypocrisy or dogma or any of that. In fact, I was gung-ho, die-hard, up to my eyeballs in Christianity. I had a church I adored, with a wonderful, loving community. It didn’t fall apart until long after I left the church, and even though many have left it, I think that thatparticular Episcopal church is probably just as loving, warm, and welcoming as it always was.

I wanted to be a missionary. I volunteered at the Church. I studied the Bible. Yes, I was simultaneously studying folkloric witchcraft and the paranormal…but those things aren’t complete anathema in the Episcopal church. Which is one of the many reasons it rocked. Hard. Of course, that’s one of the reasons it’s almost been completely torn apart (the whole gay bishop thing…*sigh*). And yes, things did get a little awkward for me in my late teens as there was a bit of an evangelical edge that came into the church. It was a bit of a fad, but infiltrated the youth groups pretty hard, and I was very involved in the youth group. I was also very into “secular music” at that point in time. There was some not-so-joyful poking about my music that I’m still a little sore over (that’s an entirely different post right there), but all-in-all, I didn’t leave the church voluntarily.

See, I did study the Bible. Too much. I studied the culture, the anthropology, the archaeology surrounding the Bible. I studied the history behind the establishment of the Christian faith and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I studied the mythology that influenced the Old Testament, and the politics that influenced the Church.

In short, I learned too much for my logical mind to believe it any more.

This also cut short my love affair with John Dee and the Enochian systems. All of a sudden, dealing with angels and demons seemed far too Judeo-Christian…and I knew too much to believe that, so therefore that all had to be wrong as well.

I had to sit down and actually think. What do I believe? And the first thing I realized? I do not believe in sin. I particularly do not believe in “Original Sin.” Which then made it even harder to swallow Christianity. Because, let’s face it, there are a lot of Christians out there who do not necessarily believe in the Bible. It sounds weird, but it is true. Some of them accept that it has been corrupted by the human influence. Some accept it as guidance, but not verbatim. I even knew one woman who belonged to a very small church who only accepted books after Acts to be pertinent. The others were studied and read for historical purposes, for inspiration, or out of respect…but they only followed the instructions for living from Acts forward. Weird, but true.

However, without sin you really don’t have much need for a savior, right? So the whole point of Christ dying for our sins seems rather pointless.

So I was out of a religion. Then I wandered into Wicca…and from there Santeria and Voudoo…and now I have my own mottled form of polytheism.

But with Santeria and Voudoo…the Christian wound was poked again. I realize the Christian symbolism is syncretized to the original African. And that it might be possible to extract one from the other and come up with some sort of reconstructed African religion. But that just doesn’t seem right to me either. In fact, that seems downright wrong. I will admit I’m fascinated by the study of the original African traditions (and don’t get me started on the lack of any decent archaeology in Africa…it will trigger a rant!) but I’m interested much as I was interested in Biblical studies even after I’d decided that the Bible was all bunk. It’s the academics of it that I find interesting. And every now and then, there’s a glimmer, a piece of truth that does fit with what I’ve learned of the Santeria and the Voudoo…or something that explains a practice or a word that seems somehow out-of-place.

And yet…there’s that Christian thing facing me down again.

Recently, news articles have been floating around the internet again about the polytheism that was probable in Judaism at and prior to the time of Christ. The evidence is there, and it is also written in the Bible itself. The Bible speaks of the Asherah in the Temple…as well as weeping for Tammuz/Damuzi…

In the middle of the night as I laid in my bed, my body exhausted but my mind still on full spin, I received a message. I’ve learned to separate these now…these thoughts that come out of nowhere and are in my voice in a way but are distinctly not in another…and were no where near anything I was actively thinking at that time. And the message I received was…

Put the Asherah back into the Temple.

I don’t know that I’m up for that, really. Of course, I don’t know if I’ll have the option to refuse. I did…but I have this feeling my refusal will be ignored. With this concept comes a whole world of problems…the least of which is what the hell would I call that? I mean, I have no real name for what I do already…but…what? Polytheistic Christianity? No. That doesn’t work because as I said, without sin there is no need for a Christ/savior. Polytheistic Judaism? Bite my tongue! The last thing I want to do is mess with a religious tradition that has thousands of years of tradition and heritage, has been through more prejudice and punishment than any ethnic group should be exposed to, and happens to be both a culture and a religious tradition I have a lot of respect for. (If nothing else, their ability to survive despite horrendous odds deserves respect. There’s a lot more there, but that alone…)

It would also require a metric ton more research, in an area of research that I had left buried for almost twenty years as I pursued other avenues…

And even more altars in the spooky room, I just know it.

Here’s an ongoing joke with Mousie and I: When I set up the spooky room, I was pure Wiccan. So I set it up with four altars for the directions/elements and one central altar. The plan was that depending on season/work…I could set the altar in the center up to face whichever direction I pleased. Let’s just say there are many more altars than five in there now, and the only two left that aren’t taken by someone are the west and the south. The East altar and the North altar are still there, but shared by deities that “fit”. I’ve been muttering for months that the gods are aiming for my altars. I’m still partial to the elements, so I’m fighting to keep them. I’m losing the battle, though…

Of course, if I were able to make this switch at least in my head, it might lighten up my resistance to some of the Christianity that’s inherent in so many other Traditions. I suppose we will just have to see.

Yeah, I needed this. (Sarcasm)

About Camylleon

I don't need gurus, and sure don't want to be one. I'm not here to buy stuff or to sell it. I am just another spiritual wanderer, trying to figure it all out. My blend? A little Santeria, a little Polytheism, a little Spiritism and shake gently. Comments are closed...because I detest drama. I'm not completely anti-social though. If you've got questions, shoot me a email. Camylleon at hotmail dot com...
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10 Responses to The Christian Conundrum

  1. ljwitch says:

    I, like you, studied my way right out of Christianity ever being viable again. But, initially, I left that religious institution because of my rabid hatred of the dogma, the hypocrisy and the bitterness I felt at the fact that I didn’t experience what all these followers did when I was in.

    I was asked recently “why have a religion?”, and I had to answer it honestly. Because living a total atheist lifestyle wasn’t working for me. I may BE an atheist, but I am in dire need of some sort of religion, some sort of way to renew my own relationship to the universe and to nature itself.

    This is why I’ve had such a horrible time of finding a label for what I am. I’m an atheist, meaning I don’t believe the Gods are real, as in sentient and all knowing entities totally independent of each other. Yet, I’m also a soft polytheist because I do believe the Gods are real, as in I believe in the values and natural elements they were invented to represent. I’m also a pantheist, meaning I believe that the universe IS God.

    I think I may have stumbled onto a label for me. I’m still doing some definite meditating on it and thinking, but I just may be an Atheistic Naturalist Pagan. An Earth worshiper. I do know one thing, I could never again venture into a spirituality where Christian ghosts are present.

    • Camylleon says:

      I have problems with it myself…not the same problems…but problems. And ghosts…there are ghosts. I will have to exorcise them if I go anywhere near this. If. And that’s still up in the air.

      I’m having a bit of a debate with myself about the nature of gods as well. I mean…I do believe they exists…but exactly *what* they are is a bit of a confuddle right now. Working on it.

      I get what you’re saying tho…and I dig it. I think a lot of pagans out there are more soft than they would admit, and are more into the archetype/Jungian definition of deities tho they may have no idea who Jung is or what an archetype is. It seems to, that fads are as prevalent in paganism as elsewhere. Polytheism seems to be “in” right now, which annoys me to no end. If you believe it, great. Go with it. But just because everyone else is doing it? Gah.

      You get props. You’re following your own internal guides. I like that about you.

  2. Cassie says:

    You are on an interesting path! ;-)

  3. Aubs Tea says:

    Part of the reason I was as resistent to the Vodou aspect to my path as I have been is because of the Christian associations. In the historical aspects, I can see and understand the reasoning behind the Christian syncretism to the various African traditions that have become Vodou. However, that doesn’t mean I like the feel of it. It doesn’t mesh with what I am: hard polytheist. And even though Christianity, as a whole, is not what I have an issue with (it was the people, primarily, that bumped me right out of it), I cannot possibly work with the Christian foundation that Vodou has.

    That being said, I wish you luck.

    • Camylleon says:

      At least, if its the people and not the religion, you might have a chance at coming back to Voudoo someday with an open mind…maybe. You never know…The gods know these paths twist and turn in sometimes amusing, sometimes awkward, and sometimes astonishing ways.

      I try. I reaaaaallllllllly do. I *logically* have no problem with, say, praying the Rosary. But I get to the “pray for us sinners” part and just…can’t…do…it. *sigh*

      Blending any of it with hard polytheism was really hard for me. I’m glad you understand that because a lot of people looked at me like I was completely nuts!

      I’m gonna need all the luck I can get, I think…

  4. Soli says:

    On the subject of Asherah, I do know there are some tribal/pre-Rabbinic Jews practicing. In fact, I get a reading from one most years when I am at Pantheacon. (alas she was not in attendance this year.) You may want to take a look at her group.

    • Camylleon says:

      I appreciate the link. I’ll certainly check it out, it’s likely they’ll have some interesting information. Doubt I’d be joining the group…I’m not usually much of a joiner and there’s more than enough on my plate already…but I’m always searching for more information!

  5. Pixie says:

    I don’t know – I have a degree in theology from a Catholic university which means, I have a degree in basically Christian theological thought and Christian history. So I’ve studied and analyzed and picked apart the Bible, the gnostics, ancient sects… I was and am still slight fascinated with ancient Christianity. That said, I’d say that not all Mid-Eastern and Babylonian deities can be traced back to Judaism or Christianity. So if you’re afraid of that, just keep an open mind and realize that the two are not necessarily related. Many theologians read the Bible as a meta-narrative being the story of God’s love for the Jews despite the ways they have betrayed him. Anyhooo…

    It seems that you do need to make peace with your Christian past. I’m sorry I can’t tell you how because for me, I went from growing up thinking if I don’t fall in love I’ll become a nun to a practicing witch. I don’t have issues with Christianity just a lot of problems with certain denominations that I think are death and apocalyptic cults more interested in bringing about the world’s end than doing any good for anybody: their members included. So that’s my baggage – we all have it I think even those of us not really pushed towards religion. I do think though that my theological training is what helped me to put to rest any resentment I may have had just to really know what’s about and where it comes from and etc. Then to be able to say simply “that’s not fulfilling to me” and be able to find something that did meet my spiritual needs.

    • Camylleon says:

      Thank you for your input…wow. Catholic theology? Yikes. I went to a small religious school for a year, protestant but still, I can sympathize with what your scholastic load must have been…ain’t no easy task.

      Yeah, I am well aware they are not all one…and I figure anymore that they’re probably not all friendly to each other, either. My point-of-view has been that the God of the Bible is the specific God of a race. Maybe that’s right, maybe that’s wrong, but He always seemed pretty partial to the Hebrews and the Hebrews alone. Quite honestly, I don’t know why the rest of the Western world even bothered. But they did, and here’s Christianity.

      It’s funny that I have to “make peace” with it as I really haven’t any grudge. I had a happy time in Christinaity. Of course, maybe that’s why. *shrug* Maybe that’s why every other professed Pagan on earth has been either to completely walk away or blend as they please. I can’t.

      I think…no I know…I really haven’t much interest in any kind of recon religion. Especially one already structured. What I hope to be able to do is to pursue the African Traditions with a clearer head and less resistance to some of the prayers. I think I’ve now found some perspective on that, and a way that I can rewrite some of them (say, the Rosary, for example), without either destroying the beauty of the prayers, the meaning of the prayers for the Spirits, or inflicting spiritual conflict on my own head. Which means…yay, I guess.

      I think I will always be fascinated by Christianity, as well as the Paganism behind it. And I intend to keep studying. I wish I’d cotninued studies in that direction. I didn’t stop because of this Christian block…but rather because of a lack of time at first, then later a lack of resources, and then another lack of time…and then eventually I just didn’t get back to it as my mind was consumed by other things.

      Is there ever enough time to study everything one wants? Nope. NEVER. *sigh*

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