EVERYBODY!
“Drama everywhere, manipuli manipulah…”
I have been wanting to post about this almost since the beginning of my adventure as a blogger. For one reason or the other, I’ve put it off. In the back of my head, the worries are swirling. There is often the tendency for people I’m not talking about in these type of posts to assume it’s about them…and for the people I am referring to not get it at all. It might have been helpful to someone along the lines…or not.
Isn’t it interesting that the first people to ask/demand for help are the last ones to actually use it? And the people who truly need help and would accept any information or assistance, who would gladly listen to good advice, take it into consideration and use it are the last ones to ask? So it goes.
So it is with mild trepidation that I begin this post, hoping it doesn’t fall on blind eyes. This is another one of my theories. If you’re not familiar with the way I work, just think of it in scientific terms. I begin with a hypothesis…test and smash the helloutta it. If it survives, it moves on up to the land of theory where it will sit and be assumed true until I can prove otherwise. They’re not fact, just…well, theories.
Here goes my theory on Spirit Workers/Walkers and what have you.
There seems to be three distinct types of people involved, or claiming to be involved with Spirits. (I’m using the term Spirits here as an all-inclusive term so I don’t have to say Gods/Orishas/Lwa/Angels/Demons/Saints/Ancestors/Dead/Land Wights…etc…every single time. It’s just too long a list to include everyone!)
I’m going to tackle the worst one first. Let’s just get this out-of-the-way, okay?
The Manipulator/The Attention Whore: This type is far more prevalent on the Internet where there is the possibility of a lot more attention. These people are not now actually working with any Spirit, but fake it well Okay, some fake it better than others. This isn’t really hard to do, when cloaked behind the anonymity of the Internet. There are also some who run around in real life pretending to be contacted or mounted or horsed by this Spirit or that, but not as many. I’ve seen them…don’t get me wrong. I’ve encountered my fair share of fakers in real life.
In real life, they’re just easier to spot.
These people will often claim they have some piece of authentic knowledge and will scream louder than many who are truly in contact with Spirits. Because first…the squeaky wheel does get the grease, which is after all what they are after. Also…many of them fall into the logic that the louder they scream, the more seriously they will be taken.
Many of these will have the tendency to approach other spiritually inclined individuals with messages from their Spirits…without any provocation. After all, they have to let everyone know how special they are. And that’s what it boils down to. A deep seeded need for attention, a need to be different, a need to be important.
They very often follow the hottest fad…whichever Tradition has the most followers at any time, or the most controversial path because, again, it’s all about attention.
They’re not often alone, either. You’ll sometimes find tight-knit little groups of them. Pardon this crass expression, but circle jerks of attention whores, little cliques where they feed off their mutual dramas.
The attention-whores actually fall into two groups; the ones that simply need attention, and the ones with more nefarious motives. Because these same methods are occasionally used to get money from innocent Spiritual Workers who are on similar paths. Whether by grifting or from trying to sell dubious products or services, they will manipulate people into believing their lies. You’ve been cursed, someone’s working against you…or they’ve been cursed, someone’s working against them.
It’s just as bad when they steal your energy as it is when they steal your money. Don’t fall for it. The best advice I can give is to stay as far away as is humanly possible. This type of person will take everything you give, and never be any better for it.
The Manipulated: Paganism is no longer fluffy. Many of us now profess to be hard-polytheists, believing in individual Spirits. There isn’t a lot of training out there for us. We read and read and read but when it comes down to actually dealing with Spirits, we’re often on our own. The lore has, more often than not, been lost or at the minimum buried beneath the rubble of fallen civilizations.
We try, faithfully, to figure it all out. But there’s a moment of excitement that happens when we receive that first contact. When an entity finally contacts us, and we think our “godphones” have finally been turned on. Some of us have embraced entities without checking their references. We grab that Spirit, love that Spirit, welcome him/her/it into our lives without a second thought. Because we are now special. We just do the happy-pagan-dance and move on.
The truth is there are some not-nice Spirits out there, and some plain old lost ones.
In Spiritism, I have learned that occasionally a Spirit will be “lost.” They don’t know who they are. So when we assume that the Spirit is…fill in the blanks…they don’t honestly know that they aren’t. And they will act accordingly, allowing us to help form them into the Spirit we think they are. Maybe they can keep it up. Maybe they can’t. Eventually many of these will fail, leaving the worker with a sense of abandonment. That’s the lesser of the two evils.
The other kind of Spirit is a truly manipulative force who will lie about who they are. They will suck us into a false sense of security, even helping us out and changing our lives for the better until…
They pull the rug out from underneath. Why? Who knows. We can barely understand humans, how can we expect to understand this type of Spirit? I only know that they are out there…yes, I’ve had my run-ins with them myself. I only know that this kind of Spirit will leave a person languishing, without any Spiritual foundation, in the depths of a loss of faith that can seem unending.
And they are out there.
The third type of Spirit Worker is, of course, simply defined as neither of the above. Their Spirits are true. They walk a path, communicate with who they intend to communicate with, and are reasonably untroubled by Spiritual shenanigans. That doesn’t mean that their lives aren’t troubled. It doesn’t mean that their Spirits don’t test them or push the boundaries of their abilities. True Spirits are parental in nature…not just wanting the best for us, but wanting us to be the best we can be. So those roads are often filled with potholes, pebbles, and detours.
Yes, there are ways to determine if a Spirit is manipulative, or lost. I would assume that every Tradition actually has a way of doing this. I know mine…and there are ways to determine if a person is truly mounted in real life. (Pretty simple really, all you need is a pin…) There are also methods involving logic to ask questions of individuals that you doubt are working with Spirits at all. But I wouldn’t advise it. If you suspect that someone is up to no good, just stay away. It’s the safest route, really. Because if they’ll use spiritual matters to manipulate people, they’re not above using mental, emotional, or physical.
Again, this is all purely theoretical…and open to adjustment or even disposal at any time. I like being flexible.
I heart this post so much. Thank you. Keep hypothesizing on.
Thank you, Raan! We don’t, as a subculture at least, talk about this. It’s a shame because I think it really needs addressing. Everyone’s path is true and valid…
And they *are*.
But we need to be so careful of the pitfalls…
U know, somewhere in the last 2 days I was reading an article that touched on this. It goes back to the stark individualism touted by western culture. When everyone is X, then no one rises above the group. Like in schools, when every child is praised and lauded and no one wants to hurt anyone else’s feelings, then there is no room for growth or learning. I learn nothing from my success’ and everything from my failures.
My opinion? No, not everyone’s path is true and valid. It has to pass a certain litmus test, how else do we screen out the charlatans and manipulators? I think you have the start of a very good litmus test in this article. We start with how people chose to interact with the community around them and expand from there.
And there is more and more conversation going on about this atm, especially with the upheaval of certain individuals within the Lokean community. So thank you for expanding this beyond that minute scope and into a broader field.
Exactly, Raan!
I have to admit I’ve been a bit of an eavesdropper as far as the Lokean you’ve mentioned…and that somewhat inspired me to *finally* post this. I’ve been sucker-punched myself, by those I thought “spiritually superior,” only to have the rug ripped out from under my own feet.
As you say, we learn more from our mistakes…
And as much as “every path is valid”…you’re right again. I think it’s a disservice to presume that everyone is actually doing what they say they are…or that what they are doing is at all healthy. However…who am I to judge? Some would say my path isn’t valid or healthy and so…I don’t want to be a hypocrite…
But sometimes we just have to make a decision, if only for our own spiritual health.
I’ll probably ruminate and theorize now about how to tell the difference…but if it took me an entire year to get to this, I have no idea how long *that* will take!
Well the lesson is in the journey yes? By learning to sift through the good, bad and ugly, we learn to find the truth and worth in our own practices. I try not to judge any else’s practice. Does it make you grow as a person and help you to be a better individual by society’s generally agreed upon and applauded standards? Yes? Awesome!!! No? Then it does you no good. Its hard when we try to decide what standard are best to judge. (Don’t get me started on Christian values vs Norse values vs Wiccan rede vs…) The “anonymous Lokean” story we have been following falls short of those standards when you see that 2 people cannot take care of themselves in even the smallest regard. Thats when the path they are on does them more harm than good. I try very hard not to judge but having been in personal contact with her and hoooooooooorribly burned, yeah…
On a side note, this “every path is valid” strikes me as the sister coin to “everyone can do everything (like journeywork)” argument that we have chewed to death.
More brilliant food for thought, Raan…this was precisely where I was going. The reason this has been on my mind since the inception of this blog is because I had seen, first hand, what happened to my Padrino when his path changed for the worst. It almost broke my heart, and damn near turned me off my own path.
How their life is progressing is a reallllly big hint. Of course that too is easily hidden on the internet.
And judging, I think, is different from discernment. Every path is “valid” in that it is their choice…not mine…to follow it. So yes, if you want to manipulate people…it’s valid. If you want to be manipulated, it’s valid. I’m not going to judge. Maybe there’s lessons you need to learn in one of those two paths. HOWEVER…discernment tells me to stay THE HELL AWAY.
It’s not in my best interest to get pulled into those whirlwinds of destruction.
…but again, you’re right. “Every path is valid” does sound like “everyone can do everything” which is a horse which has been beaten to death (and pardon the expression) and sent to the glue factory already. Enough, right? (Apologies to horse lovers out there. Hope I didn’t offend/sicken anyone…)
Sounds like we may be much in agreement on this subject, Raan…;-)
We’re all limited- even most of the spirits we deal with. Some people just want attention. Does this mean they aren’t occasionally pulling nuggets of wisdom out of their wherevers? Who knows. Maybe they are. I can see how manipulation happens either by humans or to humans. We’re easily fooled because we’re so reliant on the physical world and our peers to set us straight. We don’t trust ourselves enough. Just my opinion, of course. I’d agree with your general assessment that spirit relationships can be parental. I think mine probably qualifies and since I have no personal experience with anything else I can’t speculate. It’s a wide, weird and wild world out there.
Ah…thank you for bringing up something else I’ve been meaning to blog about. *They* are limited too…I’ll get there. Some day. In the meantime, you’re right. We are, unfortunately, bound by the physical and the laws of the physical…so we’re already handicapped in the Spiritual. Add that to a lack of decent training…and we’re all stumbling around in the dark. Sometimes our friends help…and sometimes not. But what else can we do?
I agree that even the most moronic, the most lost, the most scandalous, and the most manipulative will occasionally find a glimmer of truth. In fact, that’s a whole other layer of trouble. Because they are occasionally right…they are occasionally more believable. It’s frustrating.
I’ll get to that too, someday…;-) But you’re right. A lot of it has to do with trusting ourselves and our own work instead of always having the insecurity complex and being sucked in by spiritual pissing contests.
I would imagine that not all Spirit relationships are parental. I have one who is a right ornery fellow…more a brother than a parent. Not a god, though…just a muerto I picked up somewhere. I would imagine there are even “younger” (in our perception) entities that ay need us to be more parental…I just haven’t run into them. The possibilities are, as they say, endless…;-)
It is indeed a wide, weird, and wild world out there. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
Ooh good point with the younger spirits. The little scaly ones that live in my house definitely look up to me. Kind of odd.
I KNEW IT! Haven’t met any myself but I knew they would be out there…;-) The odds were just in their favor…
Would someone explain this Lokean thing? Right now, I’m under the impression Loki figures into it a great deal.
Truth be told, I am of the belief that Loki doesn’t figure into it at all. This is a problem because I truly try not to judge another person’s path…not by the path at least. However…the way they live and treat other people is something I feel quite comfortable calling out.
I’d been watching this particular blogger for some time because I was just not sure. I’d made up my own mind before finding out about this blog…
http://scammingscorpios.wordpress.com/
Which ought to give you some insight as far as what Raan and I were discussing, anyway…
My verdict was that either she was not in contact with anyone/anything and lying or whatever it was she was in contact with was lying to her. Still not sure about that.
I was being completely honest about this post not being entirely about her. I’ve seen this fairly often now, although not to this degree. So I guess I feel it is something that *should* be talked about even if it is a very difficult thing to do. After all, none of us wants to sit in judgment on our fellow pagans…but we do need to protect ourselves.
Like the article. I wear a charm bracelet 24/7 which has protections on to protect me from malignant entities out there. I’ve met several entities in meditation who were not the real deal, although one was Angus Og mucking me around – but what else do you expect from trickster deities?
I had a look at the blog link you posted. My first thought was “the truth will set you free? How does it do that?” The second was “oh, ffs…..” followed by the quick closing of the blog. Note that thoughts one and two came in rapid succession.